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Genealogy of The Clan Gregor - 112 - descendants of Duncan, grandson of Coll

return to 93 - descendants of Gregor, son of Coll

Raibart Ruadh / Rob Roy
b.~1671 died 1734
m. Mary MacGregor of Comer on 1/1/1693
Inversnaid / Balquhidder
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Balquhidder
Coll [7]
b.~1694 died 1735
m. Dec 1721, Margaret, Coileitir, Glen Falloch
25 - Ancestry of Margaret
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Balquhidder

Gregor [1]
b.~1722
m. Katharen McIver, Inverdochart, Killin parish
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Glen Falloch

Donald
b.7/11/1742
Inverdochart [10]
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93 - descendants of Donald, grandson of Coll

Duncan [17]
b.7/11/1742, Inverdochart
m.(1) Janet McNaughtan, 17/12/1773, Balquhidder
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family at Stronayre, Balquhidder

Euphemia
b.3/12/1774.
d.5/5/1858
Lambton Co
Canada
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113 - descendants of Euphemia, great-granddaughter of Coll

Grigor
b.3/10/1776.
d.9/8/1847
Elgin Co. Canada
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117 - descendants of Grigor, great-grandson of Coll

Malcolm
b.4/11/1778.
d.25/9/1842
Caledon, Canada
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114 - descendants of Malcolm, great-grandson of Coll

Robert
b.3/1/1783.
d.31/1/1847
Glasgow
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118 - descendants of Robert, great-grandson of Coll

Katharine
b.9/12/1784.
d.?
Alexander
b.18/2/1787.
d.1868
Glasgow
Coll
b.31/5/1789.
d.17/8/1857
New Kilpatrick,
Dunbarton
m.(2) Margaret Mcintyre, 26/7/1804, Kilmadock
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family at Doune, Kilmadock

Gregor
b.16/4/1805.
d.?
Margaret
b.28/6/1807
d.1838
Barony, Glasgow
David
b.1/9/1810
d.23/6/1857
Gorbals, Glasgow
Gregor
b.16/7/1745 Inverdochart,
Kate
b.26/4/1725
m. Duncan [8]
Is this Duncan McPharrie?
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Balquhidder

Patrick [9]
b.14/9/1750

Coll
b.1/3/1756


John
b.19/12/1732
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James
b.~1770
d.1818
India


Robert
b.~1772
d.1803
India


[1] GD50/184/84/5 paper has the following: Gregor a descendant of Coll the son of Rob Roy who lived about the braes of Balquhidder had a son Donald.
As Margaret, wife of Coll, came from Coiletir at the head of Glen Falloch in Killin parish, in the absence of birth immediately subsequent to the mariage, recorded in Balquhidder, it is reasonable to assume that either Coll and Margaret were living as a couple at Coiletir, or that Margaret may have gone to her mother's home to have her first child. Unfortunately there is a gap in the Killin parish record of births from November 1717 until October 1727. Later baptisms for Coll and Margaret are recorded in Balquhidder in 1725 and 1732.

MCGRIGOR DUNCAN GREGOR MCGRIGOR/KATHAREN NCIVER M 07/11/1742 361 10 / 164 Killin
MCGRIGOR GRIGOR GRIGOR MCGRIGOR/KATHARINE MCIVER M 16/07/1745 361 10 / 180 Killin
Donald is NOT a child of Gregor & Katharine, instead, they had 3 children between 1729 and 1742, so this Grigor could not have been the son of Coll and Margaret who married in 1721

MCGRIGOR PATRICK GRIGOR MCGRIGOR/KAT. MCIVER M 02/01/1729 361 Oct-82 Killin
MCGRIGOR MALCOLM GRIGOR MCGRIGOR/ MCIVER M 07/08/1734 361 10 / 120 Killin
MCGRIGOR DONALD GRIGOR MCGRIGOR/KAT. MCIVER M 01/11/1742 361 10 / 164 Killin
I will move this family when I have worked out who Grigor was!

[7] Coll died before 18 December 1735 when his Testament was confirmed. His executors were Margaret Campbell, his widow, and Robert Murray of Glencarnock, as principal parties and on behalf of Coll's creditors Alexander Stewart, writer in Stirling, and James Alexander, saddler there. There is a second confirmation in November 1736 and all four are referred to in their capacity as executors qua creditors. Neither document refers to a relationship between Margaret and Robert of Glencarock, nor between Robert and Coll, and, instead, he is simply acting in the capacity of a creditor. However, I think this may be circumstantial evidence that Robert was actually Coll's brother in law and taking on the role of executor assisting his sister Margaret. Coll Campbell in Kirktown of Balquhidder: Dunblane Consistory Court TD 18/11/1735 CC6/5/24 and EIK 5/11/1735 CC/5/24

[8] MacPharrie might have been the same Duncan Drummond or MacGregor in Strathyre who had been involved with Rob Roy's sons in the kidnapping in December 1750 of Jean Key as a wife for Robin Oig, for which Robin was hanged in 1754. James Mor excaped from prison into exile in France, where he died, while Duncan was acquitted. His involvement could be the reason for Walter Scott mistakenly claiming that Rob Roy had a son named Duncan. He was probably the same Duncan who was married to Kate, a daughter of Coll and granddaughter of Rob Roy some time after the '45.

[9] Probable family of Duncan McGregor (Drummond) and Kate (Kathrin) McGregor in Balquhidder
There is a gap in the parish record 1741-54 so their marriage is not recorded.
Janet 28/11/1748 GROS 331/10/101
Patrick 14/9/1750 GROS 331/10/109
Margaret 1/12/1753 GROS 331/10/120
Coll 1/3/1756 GROS 331/10/129

[10] All of the descendants of Donald taken from the Ward Tree
I can't find an OPR record of the birth of Gregor, so have assumed a firstborn, 1722 after 1721 marriage, so that he could have Donald in 1740-46 and marry in 1764
That makes the ages correct, but it is suspicious. There were gaps in the OPR around these times.There is a baptism of Unknown to Coll in 1735, but if that was Gregor, it is far too late for the birth of son Donald in the period 1740-46 as recorded by John Ward Donald.
The only recorded possibility, which I have taken, is a baptism in Killin parish: Duncan baptised by Grigor McGrigor and Kat. McIver 7/11/1742 361/10/164 Killin
This baptism is part way down the page, but at the foot, Donald, dated the same as Duncan but in another hand. clearly an omission from the November baptism of twins.
Killin parish includes Coiletir in Glen Falloch where there had been MacGregor settlement, of the Glengyle line, for many years. Margaret, the wife of Coll was of the Coileitir family so it is possible that her son Gregor's wife had her child there.

[17] Source for the descendants of Duncan: Elizabeth McDonald